Posté le: 01 Sep 2007, 8:05 Sujet du message: Regarding The Interdiction of Amazigh names
Azul
Hi brothers and sisters,
once again we hear something frustrating. there is no such thing as an authorized name and unauthorized name. our identity is in our diversity and they do not contrast one another whatsoever. if we are talking about Maghrib or whatever, we are not talking Arab descendants only though I do not believe such thing exists. the overwhelming majority are Imazighen.
In turkey for instance which is of muslim absolute majority, they are authorized to name new borns either Arab names or Turk or even kurdish. Ex Najla is an Arab name but it is also popular in turkey, Srpil
Nermin Nisrin oktay tokay gamza galfa are allturkish names and everybody is happy.
Dear brothers and sisters overseas if you want to write some kind of petition to be signed by a number of Imazighen and to be sent to the moroccan authorities I will be glad and honored to be one of the signee.
all We need is to show some kind of solidarity in our demand and to use
the comparison approach.
Rida Benhaddou
Why bloody hell do you wanna look like "Turkish"?? The mock-turtle is getting to be a good exemple now for "berbers" !?? This is not the shinning example.
What do they realized before Mustapha Kemal Ataturks coming?
I dont understand the meaning of this freaky behavior pattern dude!
This is the logical issue; since you have accepted the arabic shit (izlam), your opinion might not count! First of all, be free and fight against the tide (against his own devils).
Turkish nation was founded by Ataturk, this great man who launched attack against the nasty WORM (izlam), understood the first the Turkishs decandence cause.
According to M. Ataturk:
Islam was "this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"
AND
* "It is claimed that religious unity is also a factor in the formation of nations. Whereas, we see the contrary in the Turkish nation. Turks were a great nation even before they adopted Islam. This religion did not help the Arabs, Iranians, Egyptians and others to unite with Turks to form a nation. Conversely, it weakened the Turks’ national relations; it numbed Turkish national feelings and enthusiasm. This was natural, because Mohammedanism was based on Arab nationalism above all nationalities."
o From his book on Citizenship.(Ataturk, Yurttaslik Bilgileri, Yenigun Haber Ajansi, June 1997, pp. 18.)
So , what Berbers are standing for a DDIN RREB??
Dernière édition par Canadien le 01 Sep 2007, 18:26; édité 1 fois
Dear Canadian,
I do not think you understood what I meant by listing this names. Turkey is a Muslim country. But did not lose identity by entering Islam. and if you allow yourself to make fun ofturkish names, then you are a racist. if you are calling yourself a Canadian, then this website is for Imazighen and their friends who care a lot and understand a lot about their problems. I am an Amazigh who lives abroad too, but I would never ever put my second nationatity as my identity in an Amazigh website. I do not hide my name either. I visit this website in order to contribute either by sharing my ideas, and I am willing to contribute with money too . I suggested to write a petition to the Moroccan authorities to have so-called law changed. So do something brother/ sister, be someone.
Posté le: 02 Sep 2007, 7:44 Sujet du message: messege to "Canadian"
Dear "Canadian",
Let's try to do something instead of saying so much. First we Imazighen need to have good education. You for instance live in Canada, so get yourself a good education in one of Canada's best UT, QU, UBC. A PhD will do. if you belong to the elite then you get the power to be heard. we must have a Good education to be able to lobby the Authorities. After a good education, we need to start to get organized to set forth a certain kind of objectives. If you live in Canada, you should have a working knowledge of the concept of find raising. when I sent my first pledge, I was talking to Imazighen who live abroad not to our brothers and sisters in the home land because of the likely economic situation, and because of our much better financial situation. Dear brother, I am willing to contribute with money and my identity for the sake of our people, are you with me in this point?
Looking forward to hearing from you
..... if you are calling yourself a Canadian, then this website is for Imazighen and their friends who care a lot and understand a lot about their problems.....
This is my sweetest home; this video I made myself (Sweet home Kabylia) express my own opinions about home, from bottom of my heart.
Now, I dont understand this strange "obsession" about my Nationality (canadian)?? Are you jealous or what else?? You are'nt the first in this forum to speak about that, I think you've a problem with strangers; you're racists.
I puzzled over this "hate" and I dont understood anything!
Canada is not a khoroto-mozlim-terrorist country like "morroco" or "algeria". She respect identities from world wide. And all for you know, The Berbers names are authorized Canada.
Or need I your express consent to use this calling? I'm not mozlim and there's not any real emotional bond between I and "arabo-mozlim" from morroco, tunisia, algeria and world wide. I'm not a part of this piece of shit called "mozlim world"!
Turkish nation was built by Mustapha Kamel since he criticized izlam patently!
Dernière édition par Canadien le 02 Sep 2007, 17:25; édité 1 fois
Essayez de comprendre pourquoi la Turquie (pays laic) a retrouve son identite depuis l'arrivee de mustapha Ataturk. Cet homme a redonne a la turquie son "IDENTITE" et sa "CULTURE" depuis qu'il s'est attaque au "ver"(izlam) qui a roavage la turquie durant des siecles.
La turquie est entre dans l'ere moderne depuis que Ataturk s'est ouvertement attaque a la calamite qoreichite, qui est aussi la cause premiere de la "batardisation" et la nomadisation des peuples Berberes et de leur identites. Tous les pays ayant adopte la secte islamique sont dans la merde: terrorisme, analphabetisation, salete, arabisme, haine des femmes, haine des autres religions, intolerance...etc etc.
L'islam est le poison qui maintient encore les peuples berberes dans des postures de sous-homme et ces derniers continuent de le defendre a la place des "arabes". Car Comme l'a si bien explique Ataturk; l'islam est un "nationalisme arabe"; celui qui defend l'izzan (izlam) est de fait un arabe!
"Depuis plus de 500 ans, les règles et les théories d'un vieux sheikh arabe, et les interprétations abusives de générations de prêtres crasseux et ignares ont fixé, en Turquie, tous les détails de la loi civile et criminelle. Elles ont réglé la forme de la constitution, les moindres faits et gestes de la vie de chaque citoyen, sa nourriture, ses heures de veille et de sommeil, la coupe de ses vêtements, ce qu'il apprend à l'école, ses coutumes, ses habitudes et jusqu'à ses pensées les plus intimes. L'islam, cette théologie absurde d'un bédouin immoral, est un cadavre putréfié qui empoisonne nos vies."
(Mustapha Kémal Atatürk / 1881-1938)
Posté le: 03 Sep 2007, 8:43 Sujet du message: To Canadian from ridenatty
Dear Brother "Canadian",
First of all, I do not have anything against Canada. It is a nice country my uncles lived there 20 years ago, and thr people are as nice as they can get. I'm not jealous of you, why should I be? and I wish you the best in your life as much as I do for every human being( Japanese, indian, Pashtun, urdu....) I do not have any prejudice against anybody. As a matter of fact I do have friends from different backgrounds, and I do my best to understand a bit of their cultures. I write in four different writing systems one of them is Hankul (Korean), and I'm learning sanskrit. My brother, I'm a very open person, and it really hurt me what you said about turkish ( the people not the Authorities, average people who canot be responsible for their repective government political strategies.). hatred and racism would never help us in our mission which happens to be getting an official recognition and respect of our identity and respect. the other thing my brother is prophanity, why on earth do I have to read such rude tone.
Hi ridenatty!
If You're Us citizen, than can you hear this G. Washington's trumpet-call that can invite the consideration of mankind :
"....Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated.... "
Izlam is a virus and in the North-African instance, it was a horrible disaster! A fucking camels-driver who came from the "cradle of filth" (mekka) victimized the Berberia Dwellers with their "swindler prophet" (who was also a pedophile). The evils root was izlam; alienated population. Men becoming bitter, women humiliated...
You can hear only what you wanna hear, and undersand only what you've heard, but truth will always be here and North-Africa disease is always izlamic-religion and we must pulled it out!
I spoke about Turkish religion as a climax to their evolution beyond human considerations. I'm not against the current Turkish people, but I Disagree with their untoward choice by electing a "mozlim" as premier!
But, as they say "burn not thy fingers to snuff another man's candle ", or in another terms; why do you feel yourself hemmed in , by speaking of "Turkish"??
Posté le: 04 Sep 2007, 6:41 Sujet du message: To Dear Canadian
Dear Canadian,
When I used Turkey as an example, it was only to point out that religion and culture can coexist without any conflict. The average person should normally have the right to name her/his children whatever name he/she wants. Other thing, I do not want to be different from my parents. if my father's religion as such or such I must respect that. only three religions are somehow the result of divine powers. I know that a great deal of Arabs have not done just with most of the cultures they invaded. But, there is none of these three religions that allow atroceties against any other group. What has been done to us by the romans, Byzantins, Visigoths, Vandals, Arabs, French, was of absolute politiical ambitions. But the religion was abused by these greedy iinvaders. God wants the best for all human beings without any partiality to this group or that. He wants us to treat each other with respect, and accept each other if we differ in our colors ideas cultures...
Posté le: 04 Sep 2007, 6:52 Sujet du message: To ABDELWAHID
Dear ABDELWAHID,
I'm so sorry I do not write in French. I do understand french, but my writing in the language is very restricted. If I try to write in french, probably it is going to take me quite a while to finish one sentence.
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Posté le: 04 Sep 2007, 18:34 Sujet du message:
ridenatty a écrit:
Dear ABDELWAHID,
I'm so sorry I do not write in French. I do understand french, but my writing in the language is very restricted. If I try to write in french, probably it is going to take me quite a while to finish one sentence.
Pardon mon frere
_______
Cher ABDELWAHID,
Je suis si désolé je n'écris pas en français. Je comprends le français, mais mon écriture dans la langue est très restreinte. Si j'essaye d'écrire en français, il va probablement me falloir tout à fait un moment à la finition une phrase.
Ne sois pas désolé pour autant l'ami, mais le fait de poster en anglais met, a mon avis, pas mal de membres de Tamazight.Biz a l'écart! d'un autre côté je comprend ta position!
Bienvenue a toi mon frère!
________
Would not be sorry for as much the friend, but the fact of English poster does not put, has my opinion, badly of members of Tamazight.Biz has the variation! on another side I your position includes!
Welcome has to you my brother!
(I like this one)
